[HCCN] Fwd: BILL MOYERS, OLIVER STONE, VIETNAM/AFGHANISTAN

Judith Robbins JUDY at ROBBINSandROBBINS.com
Sat Dec 5 19:19:31 EST 2009



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Deb Marshall <deb at coveside.net>
> Date: December 5, 2009 2:13:06 PM EST
> To: Deb Marshall <deb at coveside.net>
> Subject: Watch this video and answer the question:  why aren't  
> these guys our President?
>
>
>
>
>
> Support for PBS.org provided by:
> What's this?
>
															
			
>

				
> Oliver Stone




> December 4, 2009
>
> Director Oliver Stone is known for casting an eye on the major  
> events of his lifetime — from Vietnam and JFK's assassination  
> through Nixon's fall from grace and the financial excesses of the  
> 1980s and the administration of George W. Bush. He's with a sequel  
> to WALL STREET, in the wake of another excess of greed and  
> financial misconduct.
>
> Stone's cinematic takes on history are not without their critics.  
> Both historians and participants in the events portrayed often take  
> issue with Stone's point of view. NEW YORK TIMES reporter Bernard  
> Weinraub suggests that "his gifts as a film maker are often  
> obscured, perhaps even diminished, by his polemics." Stone's 1995  
> NIXON was greeted with a vigorous negative press campaign from the  
> Nixon Library and Mr. Nixon's two daughters. Historian Stephen  
> Ambrose went as far as to accuse Stone of "sophomoric Marxism."  
> Former Special Counsel for President Richard Nixon Charles Colson  
> labeled the film Stone's "latest foray into historical manipulation."
>
> But it was 1991's JFK that garnered the most vociferous criticism.  
> Stone was taken to task by many historians for his mixture of fact,  
> speculation and conspiracy theories. It was that film, Stone  
> acknowledges to NEW YORK TIMES reporter Bernard Weinraub that JFK  
> put him into a different category as a filmmaker. "It was a place  
> I've never been before in my life. BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY was  
> controversial; it was attacked quite a bit. But nothing like JFK.  
> It took me to another level. It made me more of a weather vane,  
> more of a political personality as opposed to a film maker."
>
> But, says Stone, NIXON and JFK were also groundbreaking works for  
> him as a filmmaker. In an extended conversation with historian Mark  
> C. Carnes, Stone stated: "JFK was the beginning of a new era for me  
> in terms of filmmaking because it's not just about a conspiracy to  
> kill John Kennedy. It's also about the way we look at our recent  
> history. I mean that literally. That movie, and NIXON especially,  
> calls attention to itself as a means of looking. It shifts from  
> black and white to color, and then back again, and views people  
> from offbeat angles... Or we throw out five quick images. We make  
> you aware that you are watching a movie. I don't pretend that it is  
> reality. I don't dress people up like Tecumseh and William  
> Harrison, have them read a script, and stick a camera in front of  
> them and say that it was true. Rather, we call into question the  
> very idea of reality. We play with your mind."
>
> Responding to those who charge that it is this very mixture of  
> styles — and especially Stone's use of a pseudo-documentary style  
> for filming fictional scenes — that is akin to brainwashing the  
> audience, Stone says the responsibility lies with the viewer: "I  
> think that's the only answer to people who say that movies  
> brainwash young minds. Movies are just the first draft. They raise  
> questions and inspire students to find out more."
>
> Stone has fought back against his critics in the historical  
> profession, accusing some of believing in a "fairy-tale simplicity  
> about America, that we are somehow free of conspiracy." And said  
> Stone to Carnes, "I think many historians come at filmmakers with  
> an attitude and with hostility. It's as though history is their  
> territory, and we don't belong. We just pervert the paradigm with  
> emotion, sentimentality, and so on." But both Stone and historians  
> have some favorable things to say about each other's work. Notably,  
> journalist David Halberstam favorably contrasted the realism of  
> PLATOON with the naiveté of John Wayne's THE GREEN BERETS. In fact,  
> there's now even a scholarly tome about Stone's movies and history,  
> OLIVER STONE'S USA: FILM, HISTORY, AND CONTROVERSY.
>
> Oliver Stone has sat down with historians to discuss his philosophy  
> of making movies about history — with Mark Carnes for the book  
> PAST IMPERFECT: HISTORY ACCORDING TO THE MOVIES, and with Harry  
> Kreisler of the Institute of International Studies for the  
> "Conversations with History" series. Explore both interviews in  
> their entirely and tell us what you think about history and the  
> movie and movies about history.
>
> Biography
>
> Oliver Stone has directed: W. ('08), WORLD TRADE CENTER ('06),  
> ALEXANDER ('04), ANY GIVEN SUNDAY ('99), U-TURN ('97), NIXON ('95),  
> NATURAL BORN KILLERS ('94), HEAVEN AND EARTH ('93), JFK ('91), THE  
> DOORS ('91), BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY ('89), TALK RADIO ('88),  
> WALL STREET ('87), PLATOON ('86), SALVADOR ('86), THE HAND ('81)  
> and SEIZURE ('73). He's written or co-written all of the above,  
> with the exception of U-TURN, WORLD TRADE CENTER and W. Upcoming:  
> WALL STREET 2.
>
> He's also written or co-written: MIDNIGHT EXPRESS ('78), SCARFACE  
> ('83), CONAN THE BARBARIAN ('82), YEAR OF THE DRAGON ('85), EVITA  
> ('96), and 8 MILLION WAYS TO DIE ('86). He's directed 4  
> documentaries -- LOOKING FOR FIDEL ('04), COMANDANTE ('03), PERSONA  
> NON GRATA ('03), and SOUTH OF THE BORDER ('09).
>
> He's produced or co-produced: THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY FLYNT ('96), THE  
> JOY LUCK CLUB ('93), REVERSAL OF FORTUNE ('90), SAVIOR ('98),  
> FREEWAY ('96), SOUTH CENTRAL ('98), ZEBRAHEAD ('92), BLUE STEEL  
> ('90), and the ABC mini-series WILD PALMS ('93). He and and his co- 
> producer won an Emmy for the HBO film INDICTMENT: THE MCMARTIN  
> TRIAL, and he was nominated for the documentary THE LAST DAYS OF  
> KENNEDY AND KING.
>
> Stone has won Oscars for directing BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY and  
> PLATOON, and for writing MIDNIGHT EXPRESS. He was nominated for  
> director (JFK) and co-writer (NIXON). He's also received three  
> Golden Globes for directing (PLATOON, BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY,  
> and JFK), and one for writing (MIDNIGHT EXPRESS).
>
> Stone wrote a novel, published in 1997 by St. Martin's Press,  
> entitled A CHILD'S NIGHT DREAM, based on his experiences as a young  
> man. He is also a contributor of some 200 pages of essays on  
> movies, culture, politics and history to the book OLIVER STONE'S  
> USA, edited by Robert Brent Toplin and published by the University  
> Press of Kansas (2000).
>
> Stone was born September 15, 1946 in New York, New York. Prior to  
> his film career, Stone worked as a schoolteacher in Vietnam, a  
> Merchant Marine sailor, taxi driver, messenger, production  
> assistant, and sales representative. He served in the U.S. Army  
> Infantry in Vietnam in 1967-68. He was wounded twice and decorated  
> with the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star for Valor. After  
> returning from Vietnam, he completed his undergraduate studies at  
> New York University Film School in 1971.
>
> Photo by Robin Holland.

BILL MOYERS ON FAITH & REASON: Pema Chödrön
> Ani Pema Chödrön is an American Buddhist nun and author whose  
> teachings and writings on meditation have helped make Buddhism  
> accessible to a broad Western audience. She currently directs the  
> Gampo Abbey in Nova Scotia, Canada, the first Tibetan monastery in  
> North America for Western monastics and lay practitioners.
>
The JOURNAL on War
> From news straight from the "forgotten front" of Afghanistan to the  
> toll the war is taking of the families of reserve troops here at  
> home, the JOURNAL continues to report on the costs of war that  
> can't be measured in money.
>
The JOURNAL on Afghanistan
> View a collection of reports on the United States and Afghanistan.
>
>
Inside the Banking Crisis
> View the JOURNAL's complete coverage of the meltdown and bailout.
>
>
The JOURNAL on American History
> View a collection of online and on air reports on American history.
>
>

> "Oliver Stone Goes Back to War,"
> TIME, Kay Johnson, September 7, 2007.
>
> "Times Topics: Oliver Stone
> THE NEW YORK TIMES' collection of articles about Oliver Stone,  
> including the recent feature on WALL STREET 2, "Greed is Bad,  
> Gekko. So is a Meltdown."
>
> A CHILD'S NIGHT DREAM
> Read the first chapter of Oliver Stone's novel, originally written  
> in 1966 and revised and published in 1997.
>
> Oliver Stone
> University of California, Berkeley's collection of materials  
> relating to the director. Also archived online is a video  
> conversation with Harry Kreisler of the Institute of International  
> Studies for the "Conversations with History" series.
>
> Intervie with Mark C. Carnes for PAST IMPERFECT: HISTORY ACCORDING  
> TO THE MOVIES.
	

> FILMMAKER OLIVER STONE
> Oliver Stone came back from Vietnam a changed man, and his  
> experiences of war have influenced his filmmaking. He talks with  
> Bill Moyers about how being a veteran has affected his life, his  
> work and his vision of the world.
>
> OBAMA'S AFGHANISTAN PLAN
> Review reactions to the President's new policy for Afghanistan.
>
> >THE JOURNAL ON AFGHANISTAN
> View a collection of reports on the United States and Afghanistan.
>
> RESOURCES FOR VETERANS
> Online resources for vets and their families.
>
> HONORING VETERANS: ORAL HISTORY INSTRUCTIONS
> Learn how to keep veteran's achievements alive by participating in  
> the National Veterans Oral History Project
>


> Our posts and your comments

> December 4, 2009
> Art & Healing...

> "To Jane: There can be no dispute that 9/11 was the result of a  
> conspiracy since there was obvi..." - Thomas

		

> Newsletter    For Educators    About the Series    Bill Moyers on  
> PBS    Feedback
>
> © Public Affairs Television 2008    Privacy Policy    TV  
> Schedule    DVD/VHS    Terms of Use    FAQ


-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: WCBB.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 644 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_pbslogo.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 378 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0001.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: blank.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0002.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_pbshome.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 118 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0003.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_divider.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 41 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0004.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_programs.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 143 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0005.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_divider.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 41 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0006.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_schedules.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 135 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0007.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_divider.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 41 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0008.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_watchvideo.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 531 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0009.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_divider.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 41 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0010.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_support.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 132 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0011.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_divider.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 41 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0012.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_shop.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 113 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0013.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_divider.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 41 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0014.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: globalnav_searchpbs.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 127 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0015.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: topbanner_01.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 3420 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: topbanner_02.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 2264 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0001.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0016.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: topbanner_05.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 10367 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0002.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: nav_off_01.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 640 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0017.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: nav_off_02.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 418 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0018.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: nav_off_03.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 423 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0019.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: nav_off_04.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 567 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0020.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: nav_off_05.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 523 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0021.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: profile_pic1.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 16194 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0003.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: profile_options_01.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 659 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0022.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: profile_options_02.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 828 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0023.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: profile_options_03.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 676 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0024.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: relatedmedia2.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 1231 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0025.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: chodron.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 3834 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0004.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: costofwarhearings.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 2172 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0005.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: afghanistan1.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 7146 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0006.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: handflag.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 2335 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0007.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: apotheosisofwashington.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 7230 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0008.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: references_reading2.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 1762 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0026.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0027.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: also_this_week.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 1479 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0028.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: bttn-blu.png
Type: image/png
Size: 1959 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: vid_blogs_01.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 1545 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0029.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: vid_blogs_03.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 812 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0030.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: vid_blogs_05.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 1070 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0031.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: right-updates.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 2050 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0032.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0033.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0034.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0035.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0036.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: spacer.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0037.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: foot_pattern.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 6453 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mainetalk.org/pipermail/hccn_mainetalk.org/attachments/20091205/9326dbec/attachment-0009.jpg>


More information about the HCCN mailing list